1 00:00:31,490 --> 00:00:34,230 Oh, I'm sorry, everybody. I just got hung up in traffic. 2 00:00:34,550 --> 00:00:36,250 This is going to be a very short meeting, Seth. 3 00:00:36,490 --> 00:00:37,349 Why do you say that? 4 00:00:37,350 --> 00:00:39,950 Because I don't think we have anything to talk about. The fact is we have a 5 00:00:39,950 --> 00:00:40,950 great deal to talk about. 6 00:00:41,110 --> 00:00:44,750 What remains an open question is whether or not my husband is willing to do so. 7 00:00:44,830 --> 00:00:46,990 What he's not willing to do is roll over and play dead. 8 00:00:48,050 --> 00:00:50,490 You're perfectly willing to talk, am I right, Carl? 9 00:00:54,650 --> 00:00:57,170 I'm sorry I was visualizing a ten -sided figure. 10 00:00:59,410 --> 00:01:03,170 Let's just look at the issues, Arnie. Now, Andrea wants the apartment. 11 00:01:03,430 --> 00:01:06,490 It was Carl's place before they got married. Who doesn't make it his in 12 00:01:06,490 --> 00:01:10,790 perpetuity? She decorated that apartment. She's developed an attachment 13 00:01:10,790 --> 00:01:13,770 apartment. Well, then we have a real problem here because he doesn't want to 14 00:01:13,770 --> 00:01:14,770 relinquish the place. 15 00:01:14,890 --> 00:01:18,830 The apartment is where I do my best thinking. Which may sound as somewhat 16 00:01:18,830 --> 00:01:21,410 than a ringing endorsement. Let's not get started here. 17 00:01:21,900 --> 00:01:25,640 I know that in your eyes, you could never measure up to Ivan Goodpaster's 18 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,540 thinking. That's right, it doesn't. You know, I don't think that we're going to 19 00:01:28,540 --> 00:01:31,100 settle this case, Seth. Maybe we should move on to depositions. 20 00:01:31,320 --> 00:01:32,320 Okay. 21 00:01:32,460 --> 00:01:37,620 This is so upsetting to me. I'm sitting here, and I'm trying to think of the 22 00:01:37,620 --> 00:01:40,920 first hundred digits of pi, and I'm drawing a total blank. 23 00:01:41,220 --> 00:01:45,360 Before you decide to drag this out, Mr. Becker, just keep in mind, if we do go 24 00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:46,348 to court... 25 00:01:46,350 --> 00:01:50,670 I will be forced to describe in excruciating detail what it's like to 26 00:01:50,670 --> 00:01:54,710 from becoming even more dysfunctional than he already is. I don't want to go 27 00:01:54,710 --> 00:01:56,110 court, Andrea. Believe me. 28 00:01:56,410 --> 00:01:59,070 I'm just following the advice of my attorney. 29 00:01:59,290 --> 00:02:01,890 What do you mean? Is he in charge or are you in charge? 30 00:02:06,050 --> 00:02:07,029 He is. 31 00:02:07,030 --> 00:02:08,490 Well, I think we're done for today. 32 00:02:08,750 --> 00:02:10,770 You're a sniveling little toad. 33 00:02:13,950 --> 00:02:17,430 Do you know how many anagrams you can find in the word sniveling? No, I don't, 34 00:02:17,430 --> 00:02:18,430 Carl. 35 00:02:18,590 --> 00:02:20,830 Would you believe that there are at least 25? 36 00:04:08,030 --> 00:04:09,910 We have a lot of ground to cover today. 37 00:04:10,150 --> 00:04:11,450 Lunch is arriving shortly. 38 00:04:11,830 --> 00:04:13,210 I suggest we get started. 39 00:04:14,210 --> 00:04:15,530 Hicks versus Rossoff. 40 00:04:16,050 --> 00:04:19,970 Mathematicians divorcing. We're representing the husband. The wife is 41 00:04:19,970 --> 00:04:20,629 the moon. 42 00:04:20,630 --> 00:04:23,350 We're in the middle of depositions. I'm expecting to go to trial. 43 00:04:23,590 --> 00:04:27,310 Office warehouse versus Barbera. Technically, it's a shareholder's 44 00:04:27,310 --> 00:04:31,470 action. But in fact, the board of directors is trying to force Jack 45 00:04:31,710 --> 00:04:32,710 Do they have grounds? 46 00:04:32,850 --> 00:04:34,270 Not as far as I'm concerned. 47 00:04:34,690 --> 00:04:36,690 But more importantly, they don't have the votes. 48 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,720 Jack and his son control 60 % of the stuff. 49 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,059 Lunch is here. 50 00:04:41,060 --> 00:04:43,280 Ah, glad to hear it. I'm starved. 51 00:04:44,260 --> 00:04:45,260 Thank you, Dolores. 52 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:46,900 If any of these are wrong, let me know. 53 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:50,640 People versus Barkwell. 54 00:04:50,960 --> 00:04:54,000 Sam Barkwell was hired by two men to take the mountain climbing. 55 00:04:54,660 --> 00:04:56,620 One of the two was injured, the three got snowed in. 56 00:04:57,100 --> 00:05:00,700 Sam and Richard Visser killed the injured guy, but then was in a coma, and 57 00:05:00,700 --> 00:05:01,700 cannibalized them. 58 00:05:02,840 --> 00:05:04,560 Oh, God, that's horrible. 59 00:05:04,950 --> 00:05:07,190 I can tell you that neither Barkwell nor Visser will ever be the same. 60 00:05:07,490 --> 00:05:08,490 How could they be? 61 00:05:09,070 --> 00:05:12,270 One cannibal says to the other cannibal, my wife made a great pot roast. 62 00:05:12,950 --> 00:05:13,950 I'm going to miss her. 63 00:05:14,910 --> 00:05:15,910 Arnold. 64 00:05:15,970 --> 00:05:18,590 In that lunch has arrived, I think we should probably change the topic of 65 00:05:18,590 --> 00:05:20,190 conversation. I agree with that. 66 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:25,920 I just hope there are no ribs in there. Oh, very cheeky, very cheeky. What's the 67 00:05:25,920 --> 00:05:28,340 big deal? They're vegetarians and they're humanitarian. 68 00:05:29,500 --> 00:05:30,500 Donner, party of 12. 69 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,680 One cannibal says to another, I hate my in -laws. The other says, so? Eat the 70 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:36,840 noodles. Gee. 71 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:42,220 This is going to be a tough fight, Jack. 72 00:05:42,440 --> 00:05:46,140 The board of directors would like very much to get rid of you. Can they beat us 73 00:05:46,140 --> 00:05:46,859 in court? 74 00:05:46,860 --> 00:05:50,220 Well, no, but... Is it possible that we could avoid a war with the board? 75 00:05:50,590 --> 00:05:53,590 How are we going to avoid a war? They want me out. Dad, it's not a matter of 76 00:05:53,590 --> 00:05:56,630 wanting you out. They just don't want you to make any other acquisitions right 77 00:05:56,630 --> 00:05:59,710 now. I didn't build a business by listening to a board of directors. 78 00:06:00,290 --> 00:06:04,410 I did it by keeping my eyes open and knowing when to move. Now, if I can't 79 00:06:04,410 --> 00:06:08,610 a decision and then act on it, tell them I'm wasting my time for it. Thank you, 80 00:06:08,630 --> 00:06:09,630 dear. You're welcome. 81 00:06:09,970 --> 00:06:12,910 Would you like me to pursue settlement discussions with their attorneys? 82 00:06:13,390 --> 00:06:15,450 You'd just be wasting your time. Excuse me. 83 00:06:15,790 --> 00:06:16,790 I'll be right back. 84 00:06:21,260 --> 00:06:24,200 I need four copies of each, and I have to serve them at 5 o 'clock. Sorry. 85 00:06:24,500 --> 00:06:25,399 Oh, it's okay. 86 00:06:25,400 --> 00:06:29,480 At least the copier's better here than it is in New York. Oh, what kind of 87 00:06:29,480 --> 00:06:30,379 copier do you have? 88 00:06:30,380 --> 00:06:32,760 I don't know what kind it is, to be honest with you. 89 00:06:33,860 --> 00:06:34,980 Hi. Hi. 90 00:06:35,780 --> 00:06:38,600 The reason I ask is that I'm in office supplies. 91 00:06:39,100 --> 00:06:39,999 Oh, yeah? 92 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,000 Denise, thanks. 93 00:06:41,020 --> 00:06:43,240 Sure. Yeah, office warehouse? 94 00:06:43,840 --> 00:06:45,440 Oh, yeah. Yeah, that's me. 95 00:06:47,020 --> 00:06:49,840 It's a family business, but it's my family. 96 00:06:51,540 --> 00:06:53,900 Uh, if you'll excuse me, I have to make copies. 97 00:06:58,860 --> 00:06:59,300 The 98 00:06:59,300 --> 00:07:10,080 good 99 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,420 news is Mulaney's dropping the second -degree murder charges. 100 00:07:13,200 --> 00:07:15,820 The bad news is he's not dropping voluntary manslaughter. 101 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:17,340 Not exactly a surprise. 102 00:07:18,100 --> 00:07:20,080 I guess we'd better gather our things and head for court. 103 00:07:21,870 --> 00:07:23,750 I'm going to ask the question one more time. 104 00:07:24,890 --> 00:07:26,530 Are you sure you want a joint trial? 105 00:07:27,090 --> 00:07:30,970 Yes. I was the leader. You're more sympathetic than I am. A joint trial 106 00:07:30,970 --> 00:07:33,890 more than it does you. I don't care. I think we should stand together. 107 00:07:34,210 --> 00:07:38,130 If it hadn't been for you, I'd have also died on that mountain. Now let's just 108 00:07:38,130 --> 00:07:39,130 do it this way. 109 00:07:40,550 --> 00:07:41,550 Let's go. 110 00:07:47,430 --> 00:07:53,600 Did you have occasion to examine the body of one... Von Alner. Yes, I did. I 111 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:56,760 retrieved the remains of Mr. Alner from right below the summit of Mount Goddard. 112 00:07:56,880 --> 00:08:00,780 Would you describe the condition of the body for us? A leg had been dismembered 113 00:08:00,780 --> 00:08:03,740 from it, and the tissue had been removed from the leg. In addition, the 114 00:08:03,740 --> 00:08:06,520 abdominal cavity had been opened, and the liver had been removed. 115 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:09,080 What did you determine was the cause of death, Doctor? 116 00:08:09,520 --> 00:08:12,440 Patechial hemorrhages in both eyes indicated that the cause of death was 117 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:16,340 suffocation. Would said cause of death be consonant with the deceased having 118 00:08:16,340 --> 00:08:17,640 been smothered? Objection. 119 00:08:18,220 --> 00:08:19,340 Overruled? Yes, it would. 120 00:08:19,880 --> 00:08:23,180 Several bruises around the mouth indicate that the deceased was in fact 121 00:08:23,180 --> 00:08:25,080 smothered. No further questions. 122 00:08:25,780 --> 00:08:29,400 Did you find evidence the deceased had any head trauma prior to his death? 123 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,620 I found evidence of a subdural hematoma. 124 00:08:31,900 --> 00:08:32,900 That's a blood clot. 125 00:08:33,059 --> 00:08:35,400 I estimated it occurred some two weeks prior to his death. 126 00:08:35,620 --> 00:08:36,620 Two weeks. 127 00:08:38,179 --> 00:08:40,919 How long do you estimate it would have been before that led to Mr. Allner's 128 00:08:40,919 --> 00:08:44,140 death? I have no way of knowing that. Was the deceased suffering from 129 00:08:44,140 --> 00:08:45,620 hypothermia at the time of his death? 130 00:08:45,910 --> 00:08:49,530 Yes, he was. Severe hypothermia. Would you describe the nature of hypothermia? 131 00:08:50,230 --> 00:08:53,150 Uncontrollable shivering, circulation is cut off to the extremities, 132 00:08:53,230 --> 00:08:55,390 dehydration, loss of blood to the brain. 133 00:08:55,590 --> 00:08:56,850 How long before that would have killed him? 134 00:08:57,070 --> 00:08:59,790 I have no way of knowing that either. Would you have any way of knowing 135 00:08:59,790 --> 00:09:03,270 or not it would have been possible for Vaughn Elner to have gotten off that 136 00:09:03,270 --> 00:09:04,270 mountain alive? 137 00:09:04,470 --> 00:09:06,790 I assume there's always that possibility, Mr. Levinson. 138 00:09:07,250 --> 00:09:09,870 Have you seen the medical reports regarding a defendant's doctor? 139 00:09:10,450 --> 00:09:11,429 Yes, I have. 140 00:09:11,430 --> 00:09:14,350 Is it not the case that they were both suffering from hypothermia? 141 00:09:15,220 --> 00:09:18,740 frostbite and malnutrition at the time they were found. Yes, that is the case. 142 00:09:18,900 --> 00:09:21,400 Would you have any way of knowing if they would have survived had they not 143 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:22,319 killed Mr. 144 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,320 Alner? 145 00:09:25,320 --> 00:09:26,259 No, I would not. 146 00:09:26,260 --> 00:09:27,340 I have no further questions. 147 00:09:30,300 --> 00:09:36,940 You're a mathematician, is that right, Miss Rosoff? 148 00:09:37,620 --> 00:09:40,000 Yes, I am. And your husband is also a mathematician? 149 00:09:40,480 --> 00:09:42,120 Yes, he is. He's a brilliant mathematician. 150 00:09:42,830 --> 00:09:45,370 I didn't know that I'd characterize myself as brilliant. 151 00:09:45,670 --> 00:09:49,270 Oh, don't be modest with me, Carl. I've heard your exegesis on Uhlenbeck. 152 00:09:49,490 --> 00:09:50,950 That was when we first met. 153 00:09:51,230 --> 00:09:52,230 Yes, it was. 154 00:09:52,250 --> 00:09:57,230 Arnie, can we keep going here? We were talking about how a coffee cup and a 155 00:09:57,230 --> 00:10:01,950 donut were topologically identical when you reached over and touched my hand. We 156 00:10:01,950 --> 00:10:03,210 really have to do this now, Carl. 157 00:10:04,790 --> 00:10:05,790 Okay. 158 00:10:06,010 --> 00:10:08,990 In the period of time during which you were married, did you and your husband 159 00:10:08,990 --> 00:10:09,990 ever work together? 160 00:10:10,130 --> 00:10:13,270 We worked together while we were married. We also worked together before 161 00:10:13,270 --> 00:10:18,850 married. Would it be fair to say that his work on simplex algorithms and 162 00:10:18,850 --> 00:10:22,270 polyhedral shapes... Poly... 163 00:10:23,370 --> 00:10:26,730 Hedral shapes. Would it be fair to say that his precedes yours? What's the 164 00:10:26,730 --> 00:10:29,590 relevance of that? Well, my client doesn't want your client publishing 165 00:10:29,590 --> 00:10:32,970 based on work that was his before they were married. What are you saying? His 166 00:10:32,970 --> 00:10:38,730 work on curved ellipsoids, quadratic forms, on the deformation of spherical 167 00:10:38,730 --> 00:10:41,810 objects, and on K derivatives remains his. 168 00:10:42,030 --> 00:10:45,650 You can't be serious. Are you familiar with an individual by the name of Ivan 169 00:10:45,650 --> 00:10:47,350 Goodpaster? Objection. Irrelevant. 170 00:10:47,590 --> 00:10:50,950 I don't mind talking about Ivan, Seth. What is the nature of your relationship 171 00:10:50,950 --> 00:10:52,050 with Mr. Goodpaster? 172 00:10:52,480 --> 00:10:54,680 Ivan and I have a sexual relationship. 173 00:10:55,020 --> 00:10:56,720 Is this ongoing at the present time? 174 00:10:57,000 --> 00:10:57,859 Yes, it is. 175 00:10:57,860 --> 00:11:00,960 Have you and Mr. Goodpaster engaged in any joint research project? 176 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:05,020 All right. Now, I'm instructing her not to answer, Arnie. What she and a third 177 00:11:05,020 --> 00:11:08,660 party of her choosing elect to engage in is irrelevant to these proceedings. If 178 00:11:08,660 --> 00:11:12,140 she is using her husband's work to help Ivan with his dissertation, it is highly 179 00:11:12,140 --> 00:11:13,140 relevant, Seth. 180 00:11:13,260 --> 00:11:16,000 What makes you think the work we're using isn't work I've done when I've 181 00:11:16,000 --> 00:11:18,160 with Ivan? Why are you doing this to me, Andrea? 182 00:11:18,380 --> 00:11:20,260 Why am I doing this to you? Let me see. 183 00:11:20,750 --> 00:11:24,370 Could it be that your obsession with gold box conjecture forced me to live in 184 00:11:24,370 --> 00:11:28,910 environment that, intellectually at least, can only be described as 185 00:11:29,130 --> 00:11:32,070 I'd really like to get on with the deposition, if I might. You really 186 00:11:32,070 --> 00:11:33,330 been a very good husband to me, Carl. 187 00:11:33,750 --> 00:11:37,190 You've refused to publish any papers that might have listed me as co -author. 188 00:11:37,410 --> 00:11:39,090 Those papers weren't ready to be published. 189 00:11:39,330 --> 00:11:42,490 The findings are trivial. You've completely ignored me sexually. Well, 190 00:11:42,490 --> 00:11:45,030 your little fling with Ivan Goodpastor had something to do with that. Well, if 191 00:11:45,030 --> 00:11:47,590 you think I'm going to wear a scarlet letter, think again. I'm ashamed of 192 00:11:47,590 --> 00:11:50,170 nothing. Go ahead, Mr. Becker. Ask me another question. 193 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:54,790 Uh, here you go. Thank you. 194 00:12:02,790 --> 00:12:03,990 Do you know you're a beautiful girl? 195 00:12:04,590 --> 00:12:05,590 Anybody ever tell you that? 196 00:12:05,670 --> 00:12:06,670 Of course they do. 197 00:12:06,790 --> 00:12:07,509 Thank you. 198 00:12:07,510 --> 00:12:08,670 Can I ask you a crazy question? 199 00:12:08,970 --> 00:12:10,370 Sure. What are you doing for lunch? 200 00:12:11,470 --> 00:12:13,150 Nothing. Let me take you. 201 00:12:14,650 --> 00:12:15,650 Yeah, why not? 202 00:12:18,810 --> 00:12:20,410 So? Want to go out and grab a quick bite? 203 00:12:20,830 --> 00:12:21,830 You too? 204 00:12:21,870 --> 00:12:22,870 Yeah, you want to come? 205 00:12:23,790 --> 00:12:24,709 No, thanks. 206 00:12:24,710 --> 00:12:25,870 Well, can we bring you back something? 207 00:12:26,850 --> 00:12:27,850 No, thanks. 208 00:12:27,930 --> 00:12:28,930 Okay. 209 00:12:32,990 --> 00:12:36,150 Mr. Goodpaster, could you please tell us when you and Miss Rossoff became 210 00:12:36,150 --> 00:12:37,170 romantically involved? 211 00:12:37,550 --> 00:12:40,110 It was March 2nd, 1991. 212 00:12:41,570 --> 00:12:42,930 What day of the week, Carl? 213 00:12:44,130 --> 00:12:46,670 I'm not thinking about what day of the week it was, Ivan. 214 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:48,450 What day of the week was it? 215 00:12:49,110 --> 00:12:50,250 It was a Saturday. 216 00:12:50,790 --> 00:12:53,350 Could we move on? Would you please stop doing that? 217 00:12:53,810 --> 00:12:55,470 I wasn't aware it was bothering anyone. 218 00:12:57,170 --> 00:12:59,910 Did you and Miss Rossoff ever go away together? 219 00:13:00,430 --> 00:13:04,810 Yes, we did. As a matter of fact, starting in March of 1991, you went away 220 00:13:04,810 --> 00:13:08,150 regularly, did you not? As regularly as was possible. 221 00:13:08,430 --> 00:13:12,770 You attended a symposium together at the Institute for Advanced Studies in 222 00:13:12,770 --> 00:13:15,770 Princeton, New Jersey. Who paid for that trip, Mr. Goodpaster? 223 00:13:16,170 --> 00:13:19,570 In that I'm a graduate student, I make very little money. 224 00:13:20,730 --> 00:13:24,970 Andrea paid for it. And you spent two weeks at a Holiday Inn in Rochester, New 225 00:13:24,970 --> 00:13:26,650 York. Who paid for that, Mr. Goodpaster? 226 00:13:27,290 --> 00:13:31,150 Andrea did. Arnie, are we going to dissect her entire American Express 227 00:13:31,290 --> 00:13:32,290 Yes, we are. 228 00:13:32,490 --> 00:13:35,870 She was spending marital assets on these trysts. Are you getting sexually 229 00:13:35,870 --> 00:13:37,870 stimulated by the details, Carl? 230 00:13:38,090 --> 00:13:43,250 Mr. Goodpaster, did you attend a Tetris convention in Ann Arbor, Michigan with 231 00:13:43,250 --> 00:13:44,530 Miss Rossoff? Yes. 232 00:13:44,830 --> 00:13:46,930 And would you tell us who paid for that? Stop. 233 00:13:47,610 --> 00:13:51,750 I can't. This is too sick. I don't want to go any further with this. 234 00:13:52,010 --> 00:13:53,010 All right, let's take a break. 235 00:13:53,170 --> 00:13:55,830 We're fighting over sums of money. 236 00:13:56,310 --> 00:13:58,990 That is exactly what we're doing, Carl. 237 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,160 All right, given what time it is, I think we should take a break for lunch, 238 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,160 that's all right with everybody. 239 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:04,960 Yeah, we can see you back here in an hour. 240 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:10,920 So where do you want to go eat? 241 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,380 Andrea, can I talk to you for a minute? 242 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:18,420 I'll be in the waiting area immediately adjacent to the elevator corridor. 243 00:14:27,150 --> 00:14:30,250 I think we should make some serious attempt at reconciliation. 244 00:14:31,010 --> 00:14:34,890 It's not going to happen, Carl. I've been inattentive. I can correct that. 245 00:14:35,410 --> 00:14:36,790 Let's try. Let's make an attempt. 246 00:14:37,190 --> 00:14:42,170 I think your relationship with Ivan is just a passing infatuation. 247 00:14:42,530 --> 00:14:44,250 It has nothing to do with Ivan, Carl. 248 00:14:44,670 --> 00:14:49,110 You and I are fundamentally incompatible. We should just recognize 249 00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:55,190 on. The truth is, there have been Ivans in my life since the second or third 250 00:14:55,190 --> 00:14:56,190 year of our marriage. 251 00:14:56,790 --> 00:14:57,790 There have? 252 00:14:57,810 --> 00:15:01,270 You were guest lecturing in Toronto. I had an affair with Morton Kovno. 253 00:15:01,590 --> 00:15:05,030 A short time after that, I had a brief affair with Paul Kutsela. 254 00:15:05,650 --> 00:15:09,530 After that, I had an affair with Michael Kostikian that ended just last year. 255 00:15:09,650 --> 00:15:11,290 Arnie, draw up the papers. 256 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:13,430 You can give her whatever she's asking for. 257 00:15:14,110 --> 00:15:16,530 Carl, I can't do this anymore. 258 00:15:24,460 --> 00:15:29,060 What was your husband's relationship with Samuel Barkwell, ma 'am? He and 259 00:15:29,060 --> 00:15:31,360 Richard hired him. What did they hire him for? 260 00:15:31,580 --> 00:15:32,800 To take them into the mountains. 261 00:15:33,180 --> 00:15:36,340 The three of them would sit in our living room and plan out expeditions. 262 00:15:36,620 --> 00:15:40,860 Was your husband an experienced mountain climber? No, but my husband liked to 263 00:15:40,860 --> 00:15:45,080 imagine that he could master anything that he set his mind to. What was the 264 00:15:45,080 --> 00:15:48,620 nature of the trip your husband was killed on, Ms. Ulmer? Objection to the 265 00:15:48,620 --> 00:15:53,020 killed. Miss Guise, let's not quibble over semantics. The witness may answer 266 00:15:53,020 --> 00:15:55,400 question. They were to climb Mount Goddard. 267 00:15:56,100 --> 00:15:58,040 It was supposed to be the more difficult approach. 268 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:00,640 It was also supposed to be a two -day trip. 269 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:04,100 Did you have a conversation with Mr. Barkwell prior to the trip? 270 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:07,800 Yes, I did. I told him that I was worried about my husband. 271 00:16:08,140 --> 00:16:09,160 And how did he respond? 272 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:12,900 He said that he would get him back safe and sound. 273 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:14,800 Nothing further. 274 00:16:18,700 --> 00:16:20,820 Your husband, along with Richard Visser... 275 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:24,240 Had been out rock climbing with Samuel Barkwell prior to this trip, had they 276 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:25,620 not? Yes, they had. 277 00:16:25,820 --> 00:16:28,920 Did they not have a training regimen designed for them by Samuel Barkwell? 278 00:16:29,220 --> 00:16:30,220 Yes, they did. 279 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:31,760 Did your husband follow that regimen? 280 00:16:31,980 --> 00:16:33,800 Not as closely as he should have, I'm sure. 281 00:16:34,040 --> 00:16:36,060 My husband worked 60 hours a week. 282 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,740 Do you ever witness a conversation in which Samuel Barkwell cautioned your 283 00:16:39,740 --> 00:16:41,560 husband against overestimating his abilities? 284 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:44,460 I witness conversations between the two of them all the time. 285 00:16:45,100 --> 00:16:49,360 I listened as Samuel Barkwell convinced my husband to live out on the edge, to 286 00:16:49,360 --> 00:16:53,060 take chances, to venture out into that godforsaken wilderness in the middle of 287 00:16:53,060 --> 00:16:56,080 the winter. Mrs. Ulmer. How could you slaughter him like that, Richard? 288 00:16:57,100 --> 00:16:58,580 You're the godfather to our son. 289 00:16:59,940 --> 00:17:01,120 How could you kill him? 290 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:06,240 Susan, 291 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,700 please, just for one minute, can we talk to each other? No. 292 00:17:12,319 --> 00:17:16,020 Can I just look you in the eye and tell you that I'm sorry? No, you can't. This 293 00:17:16,020 --> 00:17:18,800 wasn't planned, Susan. What happened to Vaughn could have easily happened to me. 294 00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:20,380 You need for me to say that I know that? 295 00:17:20,619 --> 00:17:23,680 Yes. You need me to say that neither one of you is to blame for what happened? 296 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,300 Yes, I need to hear you say that. 297 00:17:25,740 --> 00:17:27,140 And I need for you to forgive me. 298 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Richard, I don't care what you need. 299 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,640 Neither you nor he have the right to ask me anything. 300 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:35,440 You want forgiveness? 301 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:36,860 You get it somewhere else. 302 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:56,600 We were going up the mountain, and Vaughn lost his footing and he fell. 303 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,160 What did you do? 304 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:06,440 Sam climbed down to where he was, rigged up a harness, and we pulled him 305 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:08,500 back up to a place where we could all spend the night. 306 00:18:09,260 --> 00:18:10,340 What was his condition? 307 00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:16,220 I would say that he was semi -conscious at that point. He had sustained a 308 00:18:16,220 --> 00:18:17,220 serious head wound. 309 00:18:18,440 --> 00:18:21,540 What decision was made as to what to do with Mr. Allner? 310 00:18:24,090 --> 00:18:28,910 Sam was going to go for help the next day, but a storm hit that we hadn't 311 00:18:28,910 --> 00:18:31,710 counted on, and it made it impossible for him to get out. 312 00:18:33,770 --> 00:18:38,590 So we built a snow cave, and we waited. How long did you wait in that cave? 313 00:18:39,690 --> 00:18:40,690 22 days. 314 00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:47,850 And every time Sam would try to get out, he would either run into an avalanche 315 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:51,010 or more bad weather, and he'd have to turn back. 316 00:18:51,310 --> 00:18:52,310 What did you have to eat? 317 00:18:52,650 --> 00:18:56,710 During that time, Mr. Visser? Some trail mix and some freeze -dried food. 318 00:18:58,550 --> 00:19:03,510 You see, this was only supposed to be a two -day trip, so what we had, we made 319 00:19:03,510 --> 00:19:04,590 last for eight days. 320 00:19:04,990 --> 00:19:06,270 After that, we had nothing. 321 00:19:06,570 --> 00:19:08,970 What happened to Mr. Aldner's condition during that time? 322 00:19:09,290 --> 00:19:10,290 It got worse. 323 00:19:11,730 --> 00:19:17,830 We fed him, and we tried to keep him warm, but by the end, he was in a coma. 324 00:19:18,090 --> 00:19:21,930 At some point, was a decision made to kill... 325 00:19:22,190 --> 00:19:23,190 Vaughn Allner. 326 00:19:24,710 --> 00:19:26,530 Yes. Who made that decision? 327 00:19:27,950 --> 00:19:29,890 Sam did. Did you go along with it? 328 00:19:30,350 --> 00:19:32,630 Yes, I did. Why did you go along with it, Mr. Visser? 329 00:19:33,550 --> 00:19:37,730 Because I truly believed that there was no hope that Vaughn would be rescued, 330 00:19:37,770 --> 00:19:44,750 and I believed that if I didn't eat, that I would surely 331 00:19:44,750 --> 00:19:45,750 die as well. 332 00:19:46,610 --> 00:19:47,610 I have nothing further. 333 00:19:52,080 --> 00:19:55,600 Vaughn Ulner was smothered to death. Is that right? Yes, sir. 334 00:19:58,620 --> 00:19:59,620 How'd you do that? 335 00:20:00,300 --> 00:20:04,780 We took a sleeping bag and we held it over his face. Both you and Mr. Barkwell 336 00:20:04,780 --> 00:20:05,539 held it there? 337 00:20:05,540 --> 00:20:08,440 Yes. Did your friend struggle at all while you were doing this? 338 00:20:08,980 --> 00:20:14,010 No. He didn't kick, he didn't... Try to push her away? The witness has stated 339 00:20:14,010 --> 00:20:18,210 the deceased didn't struggle. Your Honor, struggle is a rather imprecise 340 00:20:18,330 --> 00:20:21,590 I'm trying to get at the specifics of what was going on at the moment this 341 00:20:21,590 --> 00:20:22,590 killing took place. 342 00:20:22,690 --> 00:20:25,110 The objection is overruled. The witness may answer. 343 00:20:25,410 --> 00:20:26,410 He didn't kick. 344 00:20:26,970 --> 00:20:27,970 And he didn't push. 345 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:33,660 Do you know for a fact whether his eyes were open or closed? The witness has 346 00:20:33,660 --> 00:20:37,880 stated that there was a sleeping bag over the deceased's face. Your Honor, I 347 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:41,000 would ask that the witness, rather than his attorney, answer the question. 348 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,960 The objection is overruled. The witness will answer. 349 00:20:45,120 --> 00:20:47,340 I don't remember if his eyes were open or closed. 350 00:20:47,720 --> 00:20:51,600 Were they open or closed when you put the sleeping bag over his face? 351 00:20:52,360 --> 00:20:53,360 They were closed. 352 00:20:54,699 --> 00:20:58,840 Well, if they were closed then, why do you have any doubt as to whether or not 353 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:00,600 they were closed while he was suffocating? 354 00:21:02,060 --> 00:21:03,060 Mr. Visser? 355 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,000 Why is there any doubt? 356 00:21:13,100 --> 00:21:14,500 Because I heard him speak. 357 00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:18,360 Your Honor, may I have a moment to confer with my client? No, Miss Goss, 358 00:21:18,360 --> 00:21:21,400 not. Proceed, Mr. Mullaney. What did you hear Mr. 359 00:21:21,660 --> 00:21:22,660 Ulmer say, sir? 360 00:21:26,320 --> 00:21:28,140 I heard him speak his wife's name. 361 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:30,620 I heard him say Susan. 362 00:21:30,920 --> 00:21:34,180 Did you think to take the sleeping bag off his face at that point? 363 00:21:34,420 --> 00:21:35,420 Yes, I did. 364 00:21:36,900 --> 00:21:37,940 I did, Sam. 365 00:21:38,220 --> 00:21:39,760 I begged you to stop. 366 00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,840 I could not stop it from happening. 367 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:52,120 But I am sorry. 368 00:21:55,600 --> 00:22:00,440 I don't see why we have to fight this fight. I really don't. Your father wants 369 00:22:00,440 --> 00:22:03,180 to exercise certain managerial prerogatives, Alan. 370 00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,860 He's not taking an unreasonable position. 371 00:22:06,060 --> 00:22:10,340 Every indication is that this is a bad time to get into the software business. 372 00:22:10,720 --> 00:22:14,420 The big boys are hanging back waiting to see how the market shakes out. They'll 373 00:22:14,420 --> 00:22:18,140 make a move and do the same thing as software that Blockbuster did to video. 374 00:22:18,380 --> 00:22:21,000 Hey, youngster, I took a single store. 375 00:22:21,610 --> 00:22:26,510 And I built it up into a corporation that grossed $130 million last year. So 376 00:22:26,510 --> 00:22:29,730 please, don't give me any lessons on how to run a business. Dad, I am not trying 377 00:22:29,730 --> 00:22:32,390 to get you... Gentlemen, for the purposes of dealing with the board of 378 00:22:32,390 --> 00:22:35,390 directors, let's remember that you're both on the same side of this issue. 379 00:22:35,610 --> 00:22:39,170 Excuse me, Leland. I need a signature on these. Ah, yes, I'll take it. 380 00:22:43,990 --> 00:22:48,730 How was lunch yesterday? 381 00:22:49,810 --> 00:22:53,030 Fine. He moves fast, my father, doesn't he? 382 00:22:54,130 --> 00:22:55,770 What does that mean, he moves fast? 383 00:22:55,970 --> 00:22:56,970 Just what I said, Dad. 384 00:22:57,070 --> 00:23:00,870 You see something you want, you waste no time going after it. You make your 385 00:23:00,870 --> 00:23:02,390 move, as you're so fond of saying. 386 00:23:02,890 --> 00:23:05,410 Did he offer you a job yet? That's none of your business. 387 00:23:05,670 --> 00:23:06,670 We had lunch. 388 00:23:07,570 --> 00:23:09,250 Denise, would you excuse us? 389 00:23:11,750 --> 00:23:12,750 Okay. 390 00:23:16,150 --> 00:23:17,490 Here's what I think I'm going to do. 391 00:23:18,930 --> 00:23:20,490 I'm going to do what you do. Meaning what? 392 00:23:20,710 --> 00:23:22,510 Meaning I'm voting with the board of directors. 393 00:23:25,390 --> 00:23:26,329 You're doing what? 394 00:23:26,330 --> 00:23:29,930 I'm voting with the board of directors. Now, Alan, slow down a moment. I'm just 395 00:23:29,930 --> 00:23:30,930 doing what he does. 396 00:23:30,950 --> 00:23:34,150 I'm making a move. You're stabbing me in the back. That's what you're doing. You 397 00:23:34,150 --> 00:23:37,490 side with the board of directors, your father's out on his ear. And he's out on 398 00:23:37,490 --> 00:23:40,210 his ear. You want to be the boss. Is that it, Alan? I want to protect my 399 00:23:40,210 --> 00:23:42,650 interests. No, you want to be the boss. 400 00:23:42,870 --> 00:23:44,570 All right, I want to be the boss. 401 00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:47,050 I'm 38 years old, Dad. 402 00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:51,700 I want to stop being told all the things I don't know. I want to be listened to. 403 00:23:51,820 --> 00:23:53,560 I want to be respected. 404 00:23:54,140 --> 00:23:56,380 I want to start making decisions the way you do. 405 00:23:56,620 --> 00:24:00,460 Fast and ruthless and without any regard for what anybody else thinks. Alan. And 406 00:24:00,460 --> 00:24:03,740 I'm going to start by kicking your ass out of this company. 407 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,400 You went out with Jack Barbera. 408 00:24:11,640 --> 00:24:12,760 I had lunch with him. 409 00:24:13,380 --> 00:24:14,660 Was it a business lunch? 410 00:24:15,060 --> 00:24:19,060 No. Did you think there was any reason for this lunch other than his romantic 411 00:24:19,060 --> 00:24:20,060 interest in you? 412 00:24:20,740 --> 00:24:23,840 Leland, he asked me to go to lunch and I went. I didn't think it was going to be 413 00:24:23,840 --> 00:24:27,720 such a big deal. Well, let me tell you just how big a deal it apparently was. 414 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:32,160 Alan Barbera has announced his intention to switch his allegiance from his 415 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:33,300 father to the board of directors. 416 00:24:33,600 --> 00:24:37,180 That will result in his father being ousted from the company he built. 417 00:24:37,420 --> 00:24:38,420 And this is my fault. 418 00:24:38,620 --> 00:24:41,060 It could be said that you had something to do with it. 419 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:44,600 Excuse me, but I refuse to accept that. You don't believe that you could have 420 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:47,280 exercised just slightly better judgment in this matter? 421 00:24:48,020 --> 00:24:51,480 Well, nobody told me that there was a rule against secretaries dating clients. 422 00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:52,880 I'm telling you. 423 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:54,700 So you're firing me? 424 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,660 What I'm doing now is putting you on notice. 425 00:24:58,460 --> 00:25:01,260 When I fire you, you'll know it. 426 00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:07,280 Scottish grading system for snow and ice climbs goes from grade one to grade 427 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:12,340 six. Grade two is characterized by rudimentary technical climbing over 428 00:25:12,340 --> 00:25:14,560 distances. Unfortunately, that changed. 429 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:15,880 How did it change? 430 00:25:16,060 --> 00:25:17,780 Well, the first thing that happened was it got warmer. 431 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:23,680 What had been good, hard, blue -green ice, which was perfect for climbing, 432 00:25:23,860 --> 00:25:24,860 turned soft. 433 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,040 Climbing became more difficult. 434 00:25:28,620 --> 00:25:29,920 resulting in Mr. Allner's fall. 435 00:25:30,180 --> 00:25:34,120 What, if anything, did you do in an attempt to get Mr. Allner off that 436 00:25:34,360 --> 00:25:38,440 First thing we did was get him to a flat, protected area, get him covered 437 00:25:40,540 --> 00:25:46,160 I tried several times to go for help, but each time I was turned back by 438 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,440 avalanches or storms. 439 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,720 Who decided to take Vaughn Allner's life, Mr. Barkwell? I'll take 440 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:55,960 for it. You tell us why you felt it had come to that. Mr. Allner had been in a 441 00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,220 coma for five days. 442 00:25:57,760 --> 00:26:00,460 His pulse was barely discernible. 443 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:03,360 His body temperature was extremely low. 444 00:26:04,420 --> 00:26:06,420 I felt there was no chance to get him out alive. 445 00:26:06,660 --> 00:26:09,320 Well, in that case, why not just leave him and get out yourselves? 446 00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,960 It had been more than two weeks since we'd eaten anything. 447 00:26:12,180 --> 00:26:14,400 We were suffering from frostbite, hypothermia. 448 00:26:14,800 --> 00:26:19,460 I felt as though if we didn't ingest some form of calories, the temperature 449 00:26:19,460 --> 00:26:22,520 our internal organs would be such that we'd freeze to death. 450 00:26:24,360 --> 00:26:25,960 In order to have the strength... 451 00:26:26,460 --> 00:26:30,460 To get off that mountain, we had to eat. Do you regret what you did? 452 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,380 I regret the circumstances made it necessary. 453 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:36,080 Thank you. 454 00:26:36,140 --> 00:26:37,220 I have nothing further. 455 00:26:42,100 --> 00:26:47,680 Were you aware, Mr. Barkwell, that search and rescue operations were 456 00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,180 the time you took this man's life? 457 00:26:49,460 --> 00:26:54,960 No, I was not. Most search and rescue operations are scaled back after about 458 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:59,160 days. Also, given the weather, I was not optimistic that the searchers would 459 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:00,440 find us even if they were still looking. 460 00:27:00,660 --> 00:27:05,420 Are you aware of the fact that people have survived without food for as long 461 00:27:05,420 --> 00:27:06,420 five weeks? 462 00:27:06,500 --> 00:27:07,920 I wasn't out to set any records. 463 00:27:09,820 --> 00:27:10,920 I'd reached my limit. 464 00:27:11,460 --> 00:27:12,840 Richard Visser had reached his. 465 00:27:13,140 --> 00:27:16,480 I made the decision I felt was necessary in order to survive. 466 00:27:16,820 --> 00:27:20,080 Did you hear Vaughn Allmer speak his wife's name, sir? 467 00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:24,960 Yes. So, you were aware that he was, in fact, coming out of the coma. 468 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:27,920 I was aware that he had spoken. 469 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:33,620 And having heard him, you opted to go right on doing what you were doing? 470 00:27:34,060 --> 00:27:35,060 Yes. 471 00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:40,040 In other words, once you had decided to sacrifice this man, nothing was going to 472 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,440 stop you. Your Honor, I object to prosecutors badgering this man. 473 00:27:42,660 --> 00:27:45,900 Objection sustained. Mr. Mullaney, you will cease badgering the witness. 474 00:27:46,180 --> 00:27:49,680 I understand the legal position that you are taking, Mr. 475 00:27:49,980 --> 00:27:55,170 Barkwell. What I'm wondering is whether or not it doesn't seem even to you that 476 00:27:55,170 --> 00:28:00,350 maybe it wasn't necessary to kill this man, hack off his leg, and cannibalize 477 00:28:00,350 --> 00:28:03,390 him. We were dying. All three of us were dying. 478 00:28:03,830 --> 00:28:09,330 Von Allner was closer than Richard Visser or myself, but we weren't far 479 00:28:09,530 --> 00:28:16,330 I didn't enjoy what I did. I didn't derive some ghoulish pleasure from 480 00:28:16,330 --> 00:28:17,269 human flesh. 481 00:28:17,270 --> 00:28:18,530 It was a gruesome... 482 00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:25,720 sickening ordeal. But had we not done it, there is absolutely no doubt in my 483 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:27,620 mind but that we would have died. 484 00:28:27,900 --> 00:28:33,620 I am sorry that it happened the way it happened, but I don't apologize for 485 00:28:33,620 --> 00:28:34,620 surviving. 486 00:28:35,580 --> 00:28:36,820 No further questions. 487 00:28:42,860 --> 00:28:44,380 Thanks for coming. 488 00:28:44,660 --> 00:28:45,659 Not at all. 489 00:28:45,660 --> 00:28:47,560 I wanted to talk to you about what happened. 490 00:28:48,679 --> 00:28:49,679 Okay. 491 00:28:50,140 --> 00:28:51,980 What did Leland and my father tell you to say? 492 00:28:52,220 --> 00:28:55,140 They didn't tell me to say anything, and they don't even know that I'm here. 493 00:28:56,340 --> 00:28:58,240 Leland blames everything on you, though, doesn't he? 494 00:28:58,460 --> 00:28:59,860 Yeah, he holds me partially responsible. 495 00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,060 Well, I'm sure you can get another job if need be. 496 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,420 Did I do something wrong? 497 00:29:10,220 --> 00:29:11,220 No. 498 00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:12,400 I'm sorry. 499 00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:16,400 And I'm sorry you got dragged into this. 500 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:18,580 Here you go. Thank you. 501 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:23,960 You know, you don't have to murder your father. 502 00:29:25,540 --> 00:29:26,940 I'm not sure you're right about that. 503 00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,280 You're not? 504 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,320 Look, I'm finished being a professional son, Denise. 505 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,220 I don't want to pad around after him anymore. 506 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:38,560 Well, then don't. 507 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,240 Don't work for him. Don't work for the company. 508 00:29:41,720 --> 00:29:42,860 Start your own company. 509 00:29:44,570 --> 00:29:48,370 You're a smart boy, Alan. I mean, I'm sure there's a lot of things you could 510 00:29:48,370 --> 00:29:49,370 on your own. 511 00:29:49,730 --> 00:29:52,530 I couldn't get you to go out with me, though. 512 00:29:53,590 --> 00:29:56,990 Well, I'm sure there's a lot of other things, you know, that you could do on 513 00:29:56,990 --> 00:29:57,990 your own. 514 00:30:03,630 --> 00:30:06,670 You're getting a major league shafting here, Carl, I have to tell you that. 515 00:30:06,930 --> 00:30:07,930 I don't care. 516 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:11,560 You don't care now because you're despondent. You're going to care a year 517 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:14,860 now when you're in the supermarket buying dented cans of tuna fish. 518 00:30:15,140 --> 00:30:18,660 I can't subject myself to any more humiliation, Arnie. It's too painful. 519 00:30:19,140 --> 00:30:21,600 It was bad enough when it was just her and Ivan. 520 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:26,180 Now to be faced with the fact that there have been repeated infidelities... Why 521 00:30:26,180 --> 00:30:28,800 is that an occasion to give her everything that she's asking for? 522 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,800 Because I don't want to go through a long, drawn -out divorce. 523 00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:37,400 You know, if this does go to court, we're going to beat them cold. 524 00:30:37,790 --> 00:30:38,689 Doesn't matter. 525 00:30:38,690 --> 00:30:40,890 A little vengeance goes a long way, Carl. 526 00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:45,550 I'm sure vengeance is one in a range of approaches to this self -same set of 527 00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:48,470 circumstances. I just don't know if it's appropriate in my case. 528 00:30:48,730 --> 00:30:52,150 Why isn't it? Because I brought her infidelities on myself. 529 00:30:57,190 --> 00:30:58,190 You're right. 530 00:30:59,150 --> 00:31:03,670 Well, not that I don't feel aggrieved. I understand. I'll, uh... 531 00:31:05,230 --> 00:31:09,290 I'll finish up the paperwork on it, you go back to your office, and I'll call 532 00:31:09,290 --> 00:31:10,830 you when it's ready for signature. 533 00:31:11,670 --> 00:31:15,290 Well, I appreciate the effort you've been making. 534 00:31:15,590 --> 00:31:16,590 Right. 535 00:31:16,830 --> 00:31:18,310 I know you don't agree with me. 536 00:31:18,570 --> 00:31:19,570 Doesn't matter. 537 00:31:19,790 --> 00:31:20,790 You're the boss. 538 00:31:21,490 --> 00:31:25,510 I do not in any way, shape, or form feel like the boss. 539 00:31:25,830 --> 00:31:29,210 I'm in too much pain to sit across a table from this woman. 540 00:31:29,510 --> 00:31:30,650 Carl, do me a favor. 541 00:31:31,459 --> 00:31:34,860 Don't ask me to feel sorry for you, because in my opinion, you should be 542 00:31:34,860 --> 00:31:38,720 sit across the table from this woman. You say it's too painful. Well, 543 00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,480 the world is a painful place, but you still have to take care of business. 544 00:31:42,740 --> 00:31:44,740 I don't live in the world the way you do, Arnie. 545 00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:46,260 I live in my mind. 546 00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,840 I don't build anything. 547 00:31:49,340 --> 00:31:50,560 I don't sell anything. 548 00:31:51,440 --> 00:31:53,920 I don't talk to people outside my field. 549 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,300 I don't talk to very many people inside my field. 550 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:03,420 For the past eight years, the one link I've had to the world outside my mind 551 00:32:03,420 --> 00:32:07,520 been Andrea. There are a lot of other women in the world, Carl. The only woman 552 00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,680 I've ever been with is Andrea Rossoff. 553 00:32:11,980 --> 00:32:12,980 What do you mean? 554 00:32:14,380 --> 00:32:18,120 She's the only woman I've ever had sexual intercourse with or seen 555 00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:19,120 naked. 556 00:32:20,420 --> 00:32:21,420 Oh. 557 00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:26,500 Put on your coat, Carl. I'm going to make a phone call. 558 00:32:28,030 --> 00:32:31,410 And you and I are going to head over to the monkey bar. Wait a minute. 559 00:32:32,050 --> 00:32:33,210 Who are you going to call? 560 00:32:34,170 --> 00:32:35,350 What is the monkey bar? 561 00:32:35,650 --> 00:32:37,070 Monkey bar is a restaurant. 562 00:32:37,890 --> 00:32:39,510 I'm going to call a young woman I know. 563 00:32:40,290 --> 00:32:41,810 I don't want a prostitute, Arnie. 564 00:32:42,090 --> 00:32:43,290 She's not a prostitute. 565 00:32:45,070 --> 00:32:46,190 She's a friend of mine. 566 00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:50,870 So tell me, what is this gold box conjecture? 567 00:32:51,190 --> 00:32:52,710 What's gold box conjecture? 568 00:32:53,010 --> 00:32:54,010 Well, are you ready to order? 569 00:32:54,390 --> 00:32:55,390 Okay, um... 570 00:32:55,720 --> 00:33:00,520 It's an open problem in mathematics, which remains open to this day. Simply 571 00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:04,700 stated, every even number can be expressed as the sum of two primes. 572 00:33:04,900 --> 00:33:06,900 Carl is something of an authority on the subject. 573 00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:12,680 It was first proposed in 1742 in a letter by Christian Goldbach to the 574 00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:13,680 Leonard Euler. 575 00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,060 It has remained open ever since. 576 00:33:16,660 --> 00:33:17,740 This is math. 577 00:33:18,500 --> 00:33:19,500 This is math. 578 00:33:20,360 --> 00:33:21,760 This is number theory. 579 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:23,120 Holly. 580 00:33:23,340 --> 00:33:27,280 This is an actual genius, not just one of those guys who thinks of himself that 581 00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,400 way. His IQ is 190. 582 00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:37,360 My God. I must say that I don't find the IQ so -called to be a 583 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,600 particularly reliable indicator of most higher -order thinking. It's an 584 00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,980 interesting diversion, but in practical terms, it's meaningless. 585 00:33:45,340 --> 00:33:47,740 January 5th, 1965, what day of the week? 586 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,000 These are parlor tricks. 587 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:50,800 January 5th, 1965. 588 00:33:51,740 --> 00:33:52,740 Tuesday. 589 00:33:53,880 --> 00:33:57,060 November 17th, 1931. 590 00:33:58,020 --> 00:33:59,380 It's silly. It's meaningless. 591 00:34:00,900 --> 00:34:01,900 Also Tuesday. 592 00:34:02,180 --> 00:34:03,180 Oh, wow. 593 00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:05,120 April 24th, 1966. 594 00:34:06,260 --> 00:34:09,080 Sunday. It was a Sunday. That was the day I was born. 595 00:34:09,420 --> 00:34:10,420 You were born in 1966? 596 00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:14,400 Yes. Wow. That happens to be a fairly interesting number. 597 00:34:14,620 --> 00:34:21,239 Why? 1 ,966 can be expressed as the sum of 953 plus... 598 00:34:21,719 --> 00:34:22,880 One thousand and thirteen. 599 00:34:23,179 --> 00:34:25,440 Both of those numbers happen to be prime. 600 00:34:26,960 --> 00:34:28,420 Which means what? 601 00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,540 Not evenly divisible by any other number. 602 00:34:32,739 --> 00:34:36,540 That sounds simple, doesn't it? I'll try to determine whether an odd seven 603 00:34:36,540 --> 00:34:38,719 -digit number not ending in five is prime. 604 00:34:39,600 --> 00:34:42,900 You'll soon find that has to be rather arduous. What did I tell you? 605 00:34:43,139 --> 00:34:44,880 So I guess Arnie told you. 606 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,360 I got a thing for a really smart guy. 607 00:34:58,890 --> 00:35:03,030 When Sam Barkwell and Richard Visser took the life of Vaughn Allner, they had 608 00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:04,250 malice in their hearts. 609 00:35:05,330 --> 00:35:09,270 They committed this horrible act because they felt they had no choice. 610 00:35:10,650 --> 00:35:17,550 By all accounts, Vaughn Allner was gravely ill. There was no reason to 611 00:35:17,550 --> 00:35:18,830 his life could have been saved. 612 00:35:19,950 --> 00:35:23,590 Barkwell and Visser had no expectation of being rescued. 613 00:35:24,270 --> 00:35:26,530 They were also starving to death. 614 00:35:26,790 --> 00:35:28,150 Their choices were. 615 00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:33,150 starve where they were, leave Von Ulner to die and try to make it back to 616 00:35:33,150 --> 00:35:37,590 civilization while they were starving, or do what they did. 617 00:35:38,690 --> 00:35:42,750 Had they done anything other than what they did, they too would have died. 618 00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:48,030 Let us not attempt to superimpose a code of conduct that in a snowstorm of 13 619 00:35:48,030 --> 00:35:51,390 ,000 feet would have resulted in three men dying instead of one. 620 00:35:54,550 --> 00:35:56,470 Don't punish Samuel Barkwell. 621 00:35:57,670 --> 00:36:00,190 For saving the lives he was capable of saving. 622 00:36:01,290 --> 00:36:02,290 Thank you. 623 00:36:06,610 --> 00:36:09,970 Richard Visser is not a great mountain climber. 624 00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:12,710 I think he'd be the first to admit that. 625 00:36:14,610 --> 00:36:21,550 He found himself under circumstances so extraordinary, I don't think 626 00:36:21,550 --> 00:36:23,570 any of us can imagine the horror. 627 00:36:25,450 --> 00:36:30,350 I don't think there is any question that Richard Visser was indeed horrified at 628 00:36:30,350 --> 00:36:32,550 the prospect of taking another man's life. 629 00:36:32,770 --> 00:36:38,450 The fact is that when it came time to do it, he couldn't. 630 00:36:39,810 --> 00:36:41,270 Did he go along with it? 631 00:36:41,610 --> 00:36:43,070 Yes, he went along. 632 00:36:43,470 --> 00:36:46,050 Ask yourselves what choice he had. 633 00:36:46,470 --> 00:36:49,490 Samuel Barkwell was in charge of this undertaking. 634 00:36:49,690 --> 00:36:53,930 He was in charge at the beginning, and he certainly was in charge at the end. 635 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:59,920 Whether or not you see fit to punish Samuel Barkwell, there is no 636 00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:03,840 of any kind in punishing Richard Visser. 637 00:37:04,980 --> 00:37:05,980 Thank you. 638 00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:17,800 Samuel Barkwell says he had a good reason for killing, so he's not guilty. 639 00:37:18,780 --> 00:37:23,580 Richard Visser says he backed out at the last minute, so he's not guilty either. 640 00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:31,190 Under the law, anyone who plans or participates in the deliberate killing 641 00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:35,090 another human being is, by definition, guilty. 642 00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:41,830 And that law applies here in this building, on the streets of Los Angeles, 643 00:37:41,830 --> 00:37:44,930 in the snow cave at 13 ,000 feet. 644 00:37:45,350 --> 00:37:50,370 The most basic tenets of civilization extend even there. 645 00:37:51,690 --> 00:37:56,730 There was, despite what Mr. Levinson has claimed, a real chance that all three 646 00:37:56,730 --> 00:37:58,110 of these men would have been rescued. 647 00:37:58,330 --> 00:38:02,150 Had one of them gone for help, the other two might well be alive when help 648 00:38:02,150 --> 00:38:04,110 arrived. Can I guarantee it? 649 00:38:04,390 --> 00:38:10,790 No, I can't. What I can guarantee is that Samuel Barkwell and Richard Visser 650 00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:15,930 had neither the legal nor the moral right to kill a helpless human being out 651 00:38:15,930 --> 00:38:17,590 the belief that it would keep them alive. 652 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:25,160 The law as defined by Samuel Barkwell does not obtain in this courtroom. 653 00:38:25,460 --> 00:38:29,700 What he and his co -defendant did was to commit manslaughter. 654 00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,880 I ask that they be convicted and punished. 655 00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,320 Hey, Jack, thanks for coming in. 656 00:38:51,020 --> 00:38:52,420 Talk fast. I have a busy day. 657 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:57,600 You know, yesterday was the first time in my life I felt like you were really 658 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:58,600 listening to me. 659 00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,740 You've got a tough life, kid. What could I tell you? You think it's easy being 660 00:39:01,740 --> 00:39:02,740 your kid? 661 00:39:02,860 --> 00:39:05,220 Probably had its pluses and minuses, just like everything else. 662 00:39:06,180 --> 00:39:07,800 I think that's probably true. 663 00:39:08,540 --> 00:39:10,460 What is it that you want to say, Alan? 664 00:39:11,060 --> 00:39:14,440 Just that I'm not going to do what I said I was going to do yesterday. 665 00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,120 For the duration of this fight, I'm going to stand with you, Dad. 666 00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,540 Why the change of heart? 667 00:39:24,060 --> 00:39:28,260 Denise called me. We got together. She had a few things to say on the subject. 668 00:39:30,700 --> 00:39:37,620 I spent a sleepless night. I decided that whatever else I want, I don't want 669 00:39:37,620 --> 00:39:38,620 turn against you. 670 00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:45,800 So, uh, we're still in business. No, we're not still in business. 671 00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:49,840 I'm going to wrap up my responsibilities for your company. 672 00:39:50,270 --> 00:39:52,070 Then I'm going to move on. What do you mean, move on? 673 00:39:52,510 --> 00:39:53,510 I've got some ideas. 674 00:39:54,550 --> 00:39:56,970 I'm going to start a business of my own. We'll do it together. 675 00:39:57,610 --> 00:39:59,130 I don't want to do it together. 676 00:40:00,090 --> 00:40:01,270 I want to do it myself. 677 00:40:02,030 --> 00:40:04,310 So I'll just be an investor, a silent partner. 678 00:40:04,530 --> 00:40:05,530 Maybe next time. 679 00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:09,110 Oh, that makes no sense. The first one's the one you need me for. Who are you 680 00:40:09,110 --> 00:40:11,490 going to go to, investment bankers, Wall Street? They'll eat you alive. 681 00:40:11,750 --> 00:40:12,830 Jack. What? 682 00:40:13,130 --> 00:40:14,370 Listen to what he's telling you. 683 00:40:20,430 --> 00:40:21,430 All right, kid. 684 00:40:22,970 --> 00:40:23,970 Whatever you say. 685 00:40:32,390 --> 00:40:33,630 New Arnie? Where is he? 686 00:40:34,410 --> 00:40:35,410 I don't know, Seth. 687 00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:40,010 He should be here. I know he should be here. If you have two nine -sided dice, 688 00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:41,870 what are the odds of drawing 16 or more? 689 00:40:42,910 --> 00:40:44,030 13 .5. 690 00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:47,590 Carl, that was supposed to be challenging for my attorney. 691 00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:50,640 Take a look at that, baby. 692 00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:01,520 This is an indirect proof for Goldbach's conjecture. That's right. 693 00:41:01,820 --> 00:41:04,560 No partition with exactly two primes exists. 694 00:41:04,940 --> 00:41:07,120 There's a corollary to Wildenberg. 695 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,260 There's no central involution. 696 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:12,400 That's incredible. 697 00:41:13,590 --> 00:41:16,030 If it's true. We should probably get down to business. 698 00:41:16,250 --> 00:41:19,330 Okay. I assume you're ready to sign some papers, huh? 699 00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:20,670 Actually, we're not. 700 00:41:21,650 --> 00:41:22,509 We're not? 701 00:41:22,510 --> 00:41:23,970 That's Carl. He's the boss. 702 00:41:24,190 --> 00:41:26,350 Yesterday, I wasn't prepared to go through with the divorce. 703 00:41:26,670 --> 00:41:29,610 Today, that's no longer the case. You've contradicted the fight -Suzuki 704 00:41:29,610 --> 00:41:30,730 -Thompson theorem. Do you know that? 705 00:41:30,970 --> 00:41:32,050 Ray -Duke -TO -ot. 706 00:41:32,530 --> 00:41:33,530 Absurdum. 707 00:41:33,890 --> 00:41:35,730 Quaderat demonstrandum. Set. 708 00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:39,460 We should schedule the rest of the depositions, get ready to proceed to 709 00:41:39,460 --> 00:41:41,820 want you to take me through this, Carl. Wait, look, look. 710 00:41:42,100 --> 00:41:46,980 Have we really gone down all of the avenues that could lead us to a 711 00:41:46,980 --> 00:41:50,860 here? I want to be there when you polish your proofs. Andrea, please, let's 712 00:41:50,860 --> 00:41:53,600 first deal with the business at hand, shall we? Answer to your question, Seth. 713 00:41:53,740 --> 00:41:57,300 Unless your client is willing to drop the demands for the apartment and agree 714 00:41:57,300 --> 00:42:00,000 one -third of the monthly support she's asking for, we're going to trial. 715 00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:02,260 Andrea. Please, Carl. 716 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:04,580 I'll take you through the proofs when we're done with the divorce. 717 00:42:05,060 --> 00:42:06,060 Okay. 718 00:42:06,250 --> 00:42:09,930 freely conceding that this is impulsive, erratic, and completely unstable. 719 00:42:11,190 --> 00:42:13,630 What do you say we stay married? 720 00:42:14,210 --> 00:42:15,350 I'd say no thanks. 721 00:42:15,630 --> 00:42:20,510 Carl, you knew about Ivan at the point which you suggested reconciliation. 722 00:42:21,470 --> 00:42:25,370 I told you about multiple affairs. You thought there were X units of adultery. 723 00:42:25,410 --> 00:42:27,190 It turned out there were Y units of adultery. 724 00:42:27,550 --> 00:42:28,630 Fundamentally, there's no difference. 725 00:42:28,930 --> 00:42:29,930 You're right, Andrea. 726 00:42:29,990 --> 00:42:32,190 Then why are you unwilling to reconcile now? 727 00:42:32,550 --> 00:42:33,550 Why are you willing to? 728 00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:36,040 I've never seen you in this light. 729 00:42:36,340 --> 00:42:39,040 In other words, now I can do you some good. No. 730 00:42:39,260 --> 00:42:42,960 There's going to be hoopla and frenzy, and you want to be part of the hoopla 731 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:46,320 frenzy. I've never seen you more brilliant than you are right now, Carl. 732 00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:48,120 Don't turn me away. 733 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:49,760 Sorry, Andrea. 734 00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,700 Why are you doing this to me? 735 00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:53,520 Excuse me. 736 00:42:53,960 --> 00:42:55,160 Arnie, do you validate? 737 00:42:55,460 --> 00:42:58,160 Sure, Holly. The receptionist will take care of it for you. 738 00:43:01,240 --> 00:43:02,240 We're ready to go. 739 00:43:02,610 --> 00:43:03,610 Great. 740 00:43:04,930 --> 00:43:05,930 Carl! 741 00:43:06,790 --> 00:43:07,790 My all. 742 00:43:22,330 --> 00:43:24,590 Has the jury reached a verdict? 743 00:43:24,830 --> 00:43:26,910 We have, Your Honor. What say you? 744 00:43:28,790 --> 00:43:31,450 In the matter of the people versus Richard Visser. 745 00:43:31,870 --> 00:43:36,450 on the charge of voluntary manslaughter, we, the jury, find the defendant not 746 00:43:36,450 --> 00:43:40,690 guilty. In the matter of Samuel Barkwell, on the charge of voluntary 747 00:43:40,690 --> 00:43:43,430 manslaughter, we find the defendant guilty. 748 00:43:44,510 --> 00:43:49,370 Mr. Barkwell may spend a brief moment with counsel and thereafter be remanded 749 00:43:49,370 --> 00:43:50,370 into custody. 750 00:43:50,730 --> 00:43:52,490 Mr. Visser is free to go. 751 00:43:53,450 --> 00:43:56,070 The jury is discharged with the thanks of the court. 752 00:44:04,709 --> 00:44:06,190 Sam, you need to know something. 753 00:44:08,090 --> 00:44:09,730 You need to know that I did a bad job. 754 00:44:09,990 --> 00:44:10,928 No, you didn't. 755 00:44:10,930 --> 00:44:12,950 Listen to me. I'm not saying this for absolution. 756 00:44:13,170 --> 00:44:15,770 I'm saying this because you need to hire another attorney to handle your appeal. 757 00:44:16,410 --> 00:44:18,810 One of the grounds you need to include is my incompetent representation. 758 00:44:19,430 --> 00:44:20,430 You weren't incompetent. 759 00:44:20,990 --> 00:44:23,970 Allowing a joint trial was incompetent. Eli, you're not going to get me to say 760 00:44:23,970 --> 00:44:24,970 it because I don't think it's true. 761 00:44:25,890 --> 00:44:28,110 Also, I don't want to hire another lawyer. 762 00:44:28,650 --> 00:44:31,030 You handled the case. I want you to handle the appeal. 763 00:44:32,460 --> 00:44:33,460 I'm sorry, Sam. 764 00:44:33,940 --> 00:44:34,980 Stepped in a hole, Eli. 765 00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:37,120 Happens. 766 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:47,460 You, uh... You left before I had a chance to say anything, Sam. 767 00:44:50,580 --> 00:44:53,540 I am desperately sorry for what happened. 768 00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:58,540 I did not go into this thinking that I would go free and you wouldn't. I... 769 00:44:58,540 --> 00:45:00,320 That's not... 770 00:45:00,650 --> 00:45:03,290 What I planned. That's not what I wanted. 771 00:45:03,650 --> 00:45:10,090 I must say, though, in all fairness, I don't feel equally responsible 772 00:45:10,090 --> 00:45:13,390 for what happened up there. I was hysterical. 773 00:45:14,730 --> 00:45:16,190 I didn't know what I was doing. 774 00:45:20,830 --> 00:45:22,010 I'm sorry, Sam. 775 00:45:25,150 --> 00:45:26,450 You're not even going to talk to me? 776 00:45:26,710 --> 00:45:27,710 Why would... 777 00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:30,930 I told the truth up there. What I said on the witness stand is what I 778 00:45:30,930 --> 00:45:33,810 remembered. And the fact that it hung your code defendant out to dry, that was 779 00:45:33,810 --> 00:45:36,110 strictly inadvertent. All right, now, what would you have me do? 780 00:45:37,610 --> 00:45:38,770 I would have had you be a man. 781 00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:42,010 I would have had you take responsibility for your actions. 782 00:45:43,030 --> 00:45:44,610 But then cowards seldom do that. 783 00:45:44,890 --> 00:45:45,910 You think I'm a coward? 784 00:45:46,330 --> 00:45:47,330 Yes, I do. 785 00:45:48,090 --> 00:45:50,850 And much as I would be utterly terrified at the prospect of going to prison 786 00:45:50,850 --> 00:45:53,090 right now, I'd rather be where Sam Barkwell is than where you are. 787 00:45:53,790 --> 00:45:57,190 If his appeals are unsuccessful, he'll do his time and he'll be done. 788 00:45:58,149 --> 00:46:00,310 I suspect you'll be a coward for the rest of your life.